Post by Specalios on Sept 2, 2016 22:35:17 GMT
Several players seem to be interested in the use of a server currency. The server would end up with a sort of economy and it'd make trading pretty interesting.
However, getting a currency that can't be easily farmed is difficult, so we need ideas. I've added a poll so feel free to vote for one of your favourite currencies/currency systems. If you have another idea, let us know by posting here!
There are multiple currency systems we could use. Such as:
The Pixel System - inspired by Starbound; currency is used as nuggets, ingots and blocks. Nuggets would be the least valued currency whilst blocks would be the most. 9 nuggets would be equivalent to 1 ingot, and 9 ingots would be equivalent to one block. This would have to use gold.
The Ore Currency - Coal would be the least valuable mineral, whilst diamond would be the highest. This system is more like bartering as its already used in everyday server trading.
The Dye Currency - Each type of dye is worth the same as the others.
The Emerald Currency - No conversion is necessary. Trading would be done just like how villagers trade, but expect a high inflation due to players using villagers to gain more emeralds.
The Gem Currency - Using gems such as diamonds, emeralds, quartz, lapis lazuli etc. so that trading is done based on how rare a gem is.
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Post by antrizar on Sept 9, 2016 1:00:12 GMT
Lapis is the perfect money in Minecraft. (Other than diamonds for reasons I'll talk about in a bit)
Money (Not currency) has a few rules that it must follow. 1- It must be portable and divisible 2- It must have an intrinsic value independent from markets, governments, and interest groups. 3- It must be stable in its creation, ie: can not be created/crafted/farmed Okay, so keeping these rules in mind, let me make a case for our precious blue lapis lazuli rocks.
Lapis is clearly portable (It's a block which stacks to 64) and it's divisible. We can carry and trade with the actual block of ore which might have a higher value as it can be fortune mined for a very high return. We can use the lapis block, which makes it easy to carry large amounts of it, and you can trade with the shards, which makes it easy to customize prices. Other blocks like Gold, Iron, and Diamonds fulfill this requirement as well, but they are disqualified in other ways, which I'll mention shortly.
Lapis also has intrinsic value because of its use in enchanting. This is always valuable despite what other infrastructure we might build on the server. We can build auto tree farms, food farms, gold and iron farms, but the use of lapis in enchanting will always give lapis value. This is where things like obsidian fail because it clearly has no use other than construction and not many people ever want to use it.
And finally, Lapis is one of the most stable resource in all of Minecraft. Almost everything else mentioned fails this test. Lapis (short of villager trading) can not be created or crafted or farmed in any way. Gold fails this test because once we have a gold farm in the nether, gold will suddenly be worthless as runaway hyper inflation will drive its value into the dirt. Iron fails in the same way as gold, all it takes is a single iron golem farm and boom, iron suffers a collapse due to hyper inflation. Imagine you are selling Elytra Wings for a stack of gold ingots and you only have three Wings in stock. When the Zombie Pigman farm gets up and running, someone will be able to AFK for maybe five minutes and they will have enough gold to buy all of your Wings. You could counter act this by increasing the price of your Wings, but the scenario is in runaway. Do you really want to hop on to the server every few minuets to increase the price of your Wings when more and more gold in introduced to the market? We might live on a thriving Gold/Iron economy for a while, but once farming is introduced, the market will collapse. Why sell goods for gold, I can simply farm the gold in greater quantities than I could possibly hope to earn from selling goods, then I can clean the market of goods with my massive stock of gold...(and everyone will try and do this... big problems people)
Lapis, unlike diamonds, can however be obtained via villager trade. I believe you can get 1-2 lapis for an emerald... but first you need and emerald, and you need to find the right villager... still, it is possible, but this could be a built in way to create more lapis when most of the near by underground is mined out.
And... really, do we really want to use diamonds, every one, their sisters, their dogs, and their goldfish use diamonds for server trade... lets be unique.
Anyway, this is my pitch for the awesome blue goodness of Lapis!
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Post by robynetzan on Sept 10, 2016 14:38:39 GMT
What's the lapis to diamonds exchange rate
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Post by antrizar on Sept 10, 2016 15:33:41 GMT
What's the lapis to diamonds exchange rate I don't think there will be a static exchange for diamonds to lapis. Players can simply charge X amount of diamonds or X amount of lapis for a good. A new player will likely pay the much higher lapis cost, where as the well established player will likely pay the lower diamond cost. That's how I see it going down in my head anyway, maybe I'm wrong and the Owners/Mods have a cool design in mind...?
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Post by Specalios on Sept 10, 2016 15:59:43 GMT
I'll leave you guys to decide what to do. Specalios and money doesn't go well together.
If at first you don't succeed, give up.
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Post by 14MN on Oct 29, 2016 15:10:21 GMT
Why is Diamonds not on the poll? I think that Diamonds would make more sense. Even though every trade system on every server do diamonds it's a perfect system. Diamonds will always be more valuable than lapis. Yes you use lapis for enchanting but you get so much lapis from a single vein compared to diamond. also diamonds are used for gear and tools which needs to be replaced often due to deaths and usage etc. Yes mending kinda ruins that aspect but the book can be sold for insane prices if need be.
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Post by Specalios on Oct 29, 2016 15:24:06 GMT
It was on a previous poll, but we narrowed down the options to the most popular ones! This was on the old map anyways, I don't think anyone is dealing in lapis nowadays xD
If at first you don't succeed, give up.
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Post by 14MN on Oct 29, 2016 15:36:44 GMT
Yea diamonds is the way to go It has everything lapis has and more. Poor lapis
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Post by dirgeoftheworld on Nov 9, 2016 11:31:11 GMT
Lapis is the perfect money in Minecraft. (Other than diamonds for reasons I'll talk about in a bit)
Money (Not currency) has a few rules that it must follow. 1- It must be portable and divisible 2- It must have an intrinsic value independent from markets, governments, and interest groups. 3- It must be stable in its creation, ie: can not be created/crafted/farmed Okay, so keeping these rules in mind, let me make a case for our precious blue lapis lazuli rocks.
Lapis is clearly portable (It's a block which stacks to 64) and it's divisible. We can carry and trade with the actual block of ore which might have a higher value as it can be fortune mined for a very high return. We can use the lapis block, which makes it easy to carry large amounts of it, and you can trade with the shards, which makes it easy to customize prices. Other blocks like Gold, Iron, and Diamonds fulfill this requirement as well, but they are disqualified in other ways, which I'll mention shortly.
Lapis also has intrinsic value because of its use in enchanting. This is always valuable despite what other infrastructure we might build on the server. We can build auto tree farms, food farms, gold and iron farms, but the use of lapis in enchanting will always give lapis value. This is where things like obsidian fail because it clearly has no use other than construction and not many people ever want to use it.
And finally, Lapis is one of the most stable resource in all of Minecraft. Almost everything else mentioned fails this test. Lapis (short of villager trading) can not be created or crafted or farmed in any way. Gold fails this test because once we have a gold farm in the nether, gold will suddenly be worthless as runaway hyper inflation will drive its value into the dirt. Iron fails in the same way as gold, all it takes is a single iron golem farm and boom, iron suffers a collapse due to hyper inflation. Imagine you are selling Elytra Wings for a stack of gold ingots and you only have three Wings in stock. When the Zombie Pigman farm gets up and running, someone will be able to AFK for maybe five minutes and they will have enough gold to buy all of your Wings. You could counter act this by increasing the price of your Wings, but the scenario is in runaway. Do you really want to hop on to the server every few minuets to increase the price of your Wings when more and more gold in introduced to the market? We might live on a thriving Gold/Iron economy for a while, but once farming is introduced, the market will collapse. Why sell goods for gold, I can simply farm the gold in greater quantities than I could possibly hope to earn from selling goods, then I can clean the market of goods with my massive stock of gold...(and everyone will try and do this... big problems people)
Lapis, unlike diamonds, can however be obtained via villager trade. I believe you can get 1-2 lapis for an emerald... but first you need and emerald, and you need to find the right villager... still, it is possible, but this could be a built in way to create more lapis when most of the near by underground is mined out.
And... really, do we really want to use diamonds, every one, their sisters, their dogs, and their goldfish use diamonds for server trade... lets be unique.
Anyway, this is my pitch for the awesome blue goodness of Lapis!
Fuck that pitch was too solid, I'm on board
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Post by rippledcheese on Nov 9, 2016 23:10:59 GMT
Lapis is the perfect money in Minecraft. (Other than diamonds for reasons I'll talk about in a bit)
Money (Not currency) has a few rules that it must follow. 1- It must be portable and divisible 2- It must have an intrinsic value independent from markets, governments, and interest groups. 3- It must be stable in its creation, ie: can not be created/crafted/farmed Okay, so keeping these rules in mind, let me make a case for our precious blue lapis lazuli rocks.
Lapis is clearly portable (It's a block which stacks to 64) and it's divisible. We can carry and trade with the actual block of ore which might have a higher value as it can be fortune mined for a very high return. We can use the lapis block, which makes it easy to carry large amounts of it, and you can trade with the shards, which makes it easy to customize prices. Other blocks like Gold, Iron, and Diamonds fulfill this requirement as well, but they are disqualified in other ways, which I'll mention shortly.
Lapis also has intrinsic value because of its use in enchanting. This is always valuable despite what other infrastructure we might build on the server. We can build auto tree farms, food farms, gold and iron farms, but the use of lapis in enchanting will always give lapis value. This is where things like obsidian fail because it clearly has no use other than construction and not many people ever want to use it.
And finally, Lapis is one of the most stable resource in all of Minecraft. Almost everything else mentioned fails this test. Lapis (short of villager trading) can not be created or crafted or farmed in any way. Gold fails this test because once we have a gold farm in the nether, gold will suddenly be worthless as runaway hyper inflation will drive its value into the dirt. Iron fails in the same way as gold, all it takes is a single iron golem farm and boom, iron suffers a collapse due to hyper inflation. Imagine you are selling Elytra Wings for a stack of gold ingots and you only have three Wings in stock. When the Zombie Pigman farm gets up and running, someone will be able to AFK for maybe five minutes and they will have enough gold to buy all of your Wings. You could counter act this by increasing the price of your Wings, but the scenario is in runaway. Do you really want to hop on to the server every few minuets to increase the price of your Wings when more and more gold in introduced to the market? We might live on a thriving Gold/Iron economy for a while, but once farming is introduced, the market will collapse. Why sell goods for gold, I can simply farm the gold in greater quantities than I could possibly hope to earn from selling goods, then I can clean the market of goods with my massive stock of gold...(and everyone will try and do this... big problems people)
Lapis, unlike diamonds, can however be obtained via villager trade. I believe you can get 1-2 lapis for an emerald... but first you need and emerald, and you need to find the right villager... still, it is possible, but this could be a built in way to create more lapis when most of the near by underground is mined out.
And... really, do we really want to use diamonds, every one, their sisters, their dogs, and their goldfish use diamonds for server trade... lets be unique.
Anyway, this is my pitch for the awesome blue goodness of Lapis!
Really its too good not to go with
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Post by crownedpanda on Nov 9, 2016 23:24:04 GMT
Not to be a bumer but this was for last map currently we have no official currency more of a sell it for what you want kinda thing ππ though even when lapis was a currency no reeeallly used it
people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.
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Post by antrizar on Nov 9, 2016 23:33:31 GMT
Arise my Son thread from the grave of inactivity that hath consumed thee, for thine is the breath of life!Lapis for the future, Lapis for prosperity!
What was dead will rise again, harder and stronger!
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Post by lady on Nov 10, 2016 0:40:04 GMT
we should just have a currency that isnt backed by any precious materials like a real modern fucking culture just use some impossible to create material for all the shit, like bedrock or something idfk
edit: bedrock is just an example in almost immediate respect bedrock is the worst suggestion lmao
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Post by dirgeoftheworld on Nov 10, 2016 5:12:53 GMT
Arise my Son thread from the grave of inactivity that hath consumed thee, for thine is the breath of life!Lapis for the future, Lapis for prosperity!
What was dead will rise again, harder and stronger! Tell me that doesn't sound dirty
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Post by crownedpanda on Nov 10, 2016 8:30:59 GMT
How about we dont add a currency and not fuck with any of that kinda idea cuz WHY WOULD I WANT A FUCKING RANDOMUSELESS THING THAT DOESNT HELP this is real life i dont need to use a "idea" to get items ill stick to diamonds since they are both usefull and a thing thats also "valuable" Have i ever mentioned i hate the idea of currency in any sorta factor ππ
people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.
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